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My Conclusion on old K and M42 gear before year 2000

  • as high resolution camera sensor getting to 36MP, it already out resolve the resolution capability of old lens before year 2000, not to mention those manual focus lens in 80s and 90s.
  • unless you like the artifacts (fringes, fare, lack of sharpness, type of bokeh rendering) or maybe called characteristics, then you may consider interest in them, but those old lens are over-priced no matter what price they set, as the modern 2nd hand lens are better in all technical aspects with the advanced optical design and efficient manufacture process.
  • most old gears are marketed for its time, and their reputation still goes on through the salesmen's talk for their profit. Most them are only good for its look and history but actual functionality. Thus, their price can go anyway based on salesmen interest.
  • For auto focus, modern lens are no doubt better, for manual focus, modern manual focus are also better and available new. so those old manual focus are overprice no matter what in term of pure technical specs.

My Study on Ricoh Film SLR

ricoh reference

my conclusion on old ricoh slr gears

  1. XR-p 1984
  2. KR-20sp,KR-30sp 1985 (simplified version of XR-p)
  3. KR-10x 1984
  4. KR-10super 1983
  5. XR-10p 1995
  6. XR-X3p 1995
KR-10 m Ricoh KR-10E XR-p Ricoh KR-10 KR-10x KR-10 super KR-20sp (30sp) KR-7m II KR-5 III KR-5 Super II KR-5 Super KR-5 SV KR-5
year 1990 LCD Ele 1998.09 1984 1980 1984 1983 1985 1993 XR-8 Super 1990 1978 2000 1979
price R-K 336 300 K 960 500 R-K 1994 K 200 K
mode A AMPS A/M A/M A/M A/M/S/P A/M M M M M M
atuo 32-1/2000 8-1/3000 4-1/2000 16 - 1/2000
manual 16-1/2000 +- 2-1/2000 16-1/2000 8-1/1000 16-1/1000 16-1/1000 4 - 1/2000 1-1/1000 1-1/2000 1-1/2000 1/8-1/1000 1-1/2000 1/8 - 1/500
EC +-4 +-2 +-2 +-2 +-2 +-2 no no
AElock yes button button button
ISO 25-5000 12-3200 12-3200 12 - 3200 12 - 3200 12 - 3200 25-1600 w. Shutter w. shutter
meter number led num led needle num needle num needle num num led +-led +- led
flash 1/60 1/125 4-1/125 1/125 1/125 1/125 1/125 1-1/125 1/125 1/125 1/60
EV EV0-18 EV0-18 EV 3 - 17 EV 0 - 18 EV 0 - 18 EV 0 - 18 EV 5 - 19 EV 2 - 19
battery 4xAA SR44 4x LR44 LR-44 (180d) SR-44 LR-44 Four LR44 LR44 LR-44
weight 510g 395g 505g 540g 465 g 460g 490g 435g 410g 540g 420 540g
KR-20sp 30sp manual: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/kr-30sp/kr-30sp.htm
KR-10 manual: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/kr-10/kr-10.htm 400-777 with 50f1.7, 475 w. flash, 199 body
KR-10 SE similar as KR-10,1980, chrome color
KR-10x metal, manual: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/ricoh_kr-10x/ricoh_kr-10x.htm 500 with f1.4, 260
KR-10 super plastic, manual: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/kr-10_super/kr-10_super.htm 599 w. 50f1.7, 350 w. 50f2
XR-10m manul : http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/ricoh_xr-10m/ricoh_xr-10m.htm
KR-5 super 2 K1000 with a higher shutter speed and a +- LED arrangement for the meter. 500
Mirror lock up with self-timer, manual: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/kr-5_super_ii/kr-5_super_ii.htm
KR-5 sv manul: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/ricoh_kr-5sv/ricoh_kr-5sv.htm
KR-5
KR-m 1980s, A/M, 30-1/2000, LCD +-Button, DOF preview, AE lock, +-4 EC, built-in motor, 1 hour timer, 4xAA review
XR-S 1981, B, 16 - 1/1000, metal focal plane shutter , electronic, -2..0..+2, 1/125, 475g Solar powered
XR-F 1982, B, 1 - 1/1000, metal focal plane shutter , electronic, -2..0..+2, 1/125, 490g
XR-P 1984(gold), B, 16 - 1/2000 , metal focal plane shutter, electronic, AMPS, LCD, 0, 2, 10, 60s, -2..0..+2, 1/125, 500g most ricoh classic
manual: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/xr-psingle/ricoh.htm 750 w. 50mm f2, 1200 with 50 f1.4
XR-X 1987, B, 30 - 1/2000, metal focal plane shutter, electronic, AMPS, 0, 1-3600s, +-4, 1/100, 495g, built-in motor, LCD panel, no shutter dial most ricoh functions
450 new w. 50f1.7, 498 with 35-70f3.5 550 with 28-70f3.5-4.5
XR-M 1987, B, 30 - 1/2000, metal focal plane shutter, electronic, AMPS, 0, 1-3600s, +-4, 1/100, 495g, built-in motor
KR-10M 1990, B, 32 - 1/2000, metal focal plane shutter, electronic, AM, 0, 1-3600s, +-4, 1/100, 510g, built-in motor
XR-Solar 1994, B, 1 - 1/2000, metal focal plane shutter, electronic, 1/125, 430g
XR-X3p same as XR-10p, similar as XR-10pf, XR-X 3pf 450 body 4xAA LCD date
XR-6 1982, B, 1 - 1/1000, metal focal plane shutter , electronic, also sold as Sears KS Super, -2..0..+2, 1/100, 460g
XR-7 1982, B, 16 - 1/1000, metal focal plane shutter , electronic, also sold as Sears KS-2, -2..0..+2, 1/125, 475g
XR-7mII 1993, B, 8 - 1/2000, metal focal plane shutter, electronic, AM, 1/60, 370g
XR-2s
XR-10 similar as KR-10M
XR-7M 1990, B, 16 - 1/1300, metal focal plane shutter, electronic, AM, -2..0..+2, 1/125, 470g
XR-8 1993, B, 1 - 1/2000, metal focal plane shutter, electronic, M, 1/125, 410g
XR-8s Super same as KR-5 III; M, 1-1/2000
XR-10p 1995, B, 32 - 1/3000, metal focal plane shutter, electronic, AMPS, 1/100, 500g, built-in motor
XR-10E 1998, B, 8 - 1/3000, metal focal plane shutter , electronic, 1/90. 395g
XR-5sv 2000, M, B, 1 - 1/2000, metal focal plane shutter
XR-20 LCD
Modern ones
XR-2000D same as KR-10M; 1990, 4AA, 32s-1/2000, 16s-1/2000, 510g
XR-3000D XR-X3000 with date back, Me Super kind +- button for speed with scene dial, 1994; 32s-1/2000; EV0-18; AM; 4AA

My old and outdated price study on PK and M42 lens

old gear shop list

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Name CNY
Ricoh 18mm f2.8 5000
Ricoh 35-70 f3.5 340
Vivitar PK 28-105 f2.8-3.8 1288
AF500 FTZ 920
Pentax Z-1P + FA 28-105mm f4-5.6 PZ no.1 1880
PENTAX MZ-S 2680
PENTAX M SMC 35-70mm 2.8-3.5 980
PENTAX MZ-S 2380
MZ-S black 2200-3000
MZ-S 2700
pentax 67 4 lens 11,000
Pentax 645+75 2880
PENTAX 67 II 3 lens 16,000
Pentax Z-1P 980
67 1800
PENTAX 67 SMC 55/4.0 5600
67 105/4 135/4 9800
xr-p flash
xr-p 750
xr 70-150 f4
kr-30sp 599
access 70-210 f3.5 1:4 580
TOKINA 200/3.5 460
VIVITAR 70-210/3.5 VMC 800
CAMBRON 1000/11 2750
K 135/3.5 PK 980
M 40/2.8 40 / 2.8 1280
Pentax M42-PK 300
SOLIGAR 135/2.5 960
GEMINI 28/2.8 280
VIVITAR 19/3.8 760
tamron adaptall A to PK 350
VIVITAR 135/2.8 CF 1:2 1520
K 24/2.8 1660
M35/2.8 960
A35/2.8 1220
M40-80/2.8-4 650
tamron SP 70-210/3.5-4 1:2 1160
M 200/4 780
K30/2.8 2700
SIGMA 200/3.5 820
M 50/4 960
K24/3.5 1520
K 55/1.8 600
PENTAX A 2X-S 1560
sigma 28-70/2.8 MF PK 860
K 200/2.5 3500
pentax t6-2x SMC 660
PENTAX TELE-TAKUMAR 400/5.6 M42 2000
VIVITAR 70-210/3.5 vmc m42 880
SMC 105/2.8 M42 1300
tamron 135/2.5 920
tamron 200-500/6.9 2kg 2380
tokina 150-500/5.6 95mm 3450
pentax a 70-210/4 1180
pentax 300/4 m42 1480
pentax super takumar 200/3.5 1488
contax 200/2 apo 50000
TEFNON H/D-MC 28-200mm F3.8-5.6 MACRO pka 588
TEFNON MC 70-210mm F3.5 MACRO pk 588
Tokina RMC TL 35-70mm F3.5 MACRO 488
CHINON 200mm F3.5 m42 488
Auto Chinon Mutil-Coated 135mm F2.8 500
Adaptall2-PK TAMRON BBAR MC 01BB 24mm F2.5 1200
Vivitar Series 1 MC 19-35mm F3.5-4.5 pka 1000
SMC PENTAX AF Zoom 35-70mm F2.8 1500
Vivitar auto Wide-Angle 28mm F2 1100
SMC PENTAX-M 24-35mm F3.5 2000
PENTAX Auto TAKUMAR 35mm F3.5 1000
SIGMA System Multi YS 80-200mm F3.5 1500
Chinon 200mm F3.5 m42 400
Asahi Pentax Takumar 200mm F3.5 1200
Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135mm F3.5 900
Fujica EBC Fujinon.T 135mm F2.5 1700
Helios-44M 58mm F2 400
Aetna Tele Rokunar 135mm F2.5 1000
Asahi PENTAX Auto TAKUMAR 35mm F2.3 3000
ENNA Tele-Ennalyt 135mm F2.8 1500
Asahi Auto-Takumar 85mm F1.8 3900
Tair-3-Phs 300mm F4.5 1500
ENNA Werk Munchen Lithagon 35mm F4.5 1500
Vivitar 85mm F1.8 3000
Tamron Adaptall-2 BBAR MC 135mm F2.5 1000
phenix PK135mm/F2.8 275
phenix PK135mm/F2.8 350
mitikon 85mm/F2 558
Carl Zeiss Jena CZJ 35mm f2.4 2080
PTTL TUMAX DSL988AFZ 420
Helios44m-4 44m 44-2 58mm/2 360
Schneider PA 35 F4 M42 4780
Jupiter-9 85/2 820
K1000 135 350
Exakta VX 135 750
Zeiss f2.8 50mm Tessar 419
Helios 2.8 28mm 800
Zeiss 2.4 35mm 2100
ZEISS P 2.8 29 MC 1000
Vivitar 24/2 1600
vivitar 35/1.9 1300
Pentax SMC A 70-210MM F4 890
Soligor 135/2.5 1000
TEAEAP-H 200mm f3.5 400
jupiter-9 85mm F2 980
Vivitar 135mm f 3.5 15 aperture 380
Vivitar TELEPHOTO 200 mm f3.5 M42 500
REVUENON 200 mm f 3.5 500
greens federal M42 200mm / f3.5 500
soligor 90 230 mm f 4.5 450
Carl Zeiss Jena 135mm f 3.5 DDR 990
EXAKTA RTL1000 3 lens 1800
BUSHNELL SOLIGOR 21MM/F3.8 M42 600
Vivitar AUTO TELEPHOTO 200 3.5 M42 428
Tamron SP 70-210mm f3.5 1280
Tamron 135mm f2.5 730
Tamron 24mm f2.5 880
Tamron 28mm f2.5 460
Jupiter-11 135mm f4 M42 780
Helios MC 135mm f2.8 M42 590
BY-26az 99
Pentax K1000 420
SMC 1000mm f11