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+ | General Guide: http:// | ||
+ | CP+ camera and imaging event (March 2nd weekend) : http:// | ||
+ | Photokina camera and imaging event (Sep middle) : http:// | ||
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+ | Camera shop in China Map | ||
+ | * [[http:// | ||
+ | * [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Vietnam camera forum: http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | ====== Singapore & Hong Kong Camera Shops Price Guide====== | ||
+ | * DD Eletronics: http:// | ||
+ | * (tons of cheap Sigma lens, like 150-500mm, and some camera body) | ||
+ | * ArtworkFoto: | ||
+ | * (60 SGD [[http:// | ||
+ | * Old manual lens: http:// | ||
+ | * Samyang manual lens and mirror lens: http:// | ||
+ | * (got cheap 20+ SGD 1.2kg-holding Flexible Pod, and 8 SGD small one; 10SGD lens pounch; 54 SGD wireless flash trigger set) | ||
+ | * 35 SGD fotomate monopod, 40 SGD steadepod | ||
+ | * Adapter rings and flash cables: http:// | ||
+ | * (got 40 SGD off-flash cable and 10 SGD shutter remote) | ||
+ | * Chiif Camera: http:// | ||
+ | * Alan Photo: http:// | ||
+ | * Tin Cheung camera: | ||
+ | |||
+ | **Bangkok, Thailand** | ||
+ | * World Camera: http:// | ||
+ | * Fotofile: http:// | ||
+ | * CameraCollection: | ||
+ | |||
+ | **Interesting Reading** | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[http:// | ||
+ | ====== Camera and Lens Review site====== | ||
+ | |||
+ | | [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | Bird photography and high zoom FAQs (How much zoom power you need?) | ||
+ | |||
+ | | [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | Lens and Works | ||
+ | * food photography | ||
+ | * jewelry photography [[http:// | ||
+ | * product photography | ||
+ | * landscape photography (large format) [[http:// | ||
+ | * portrait photography | ||
+ | * sport photography [[http:// | ||
+ | * macro photography | ||
+ | * bird and safari photography | ||
+ | * aero photography | ||
+ | * others event based: sports, wedding | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ====== Auto Focus Lens combination price range ====== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ^ pack 1 ^ pack 2 ^ pack 3 ^ pack 4 ^ one-for-all ^ other ^ | ||
+ | | 18-55mm | 18-135mm | ||
+ | |SGD 150-800|SGD 280-1350|SGD 250-1580|SGD | ||
+ | | 55-250mm | 150-500mm | 70-200mm | 50-500mm | 18-250mm | 1.4 ext | | ||
+ | |SGD 250-430 |SGD 1400 |SGD 550-1400 | ||
+ | | 400mm | ||
+ | |f5.6 1400| |SGD 200-700| | ||
+ | |||
+ | Primes | ||
+ | ^ 50mm ^ 90mm ^100mm | ||
+ | |f1.8 70 |SGD 300-500|f2.8 400-650|f2.8 6000|f5.6 1400-1600 | SGD 7600 | | ||
+ | |f1.4 250-450^135mm | ||
+ | |f1.2 1900 |f2 1100 |f2.8 850-1200| | ||
+ | |||
+ | Wide-angle lens | ||
+ | ^ 10~24mm ^ 16~35mm ^ | ||
+ | | SGD 600-880 | SGD 35-1600 | | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Full frame advantage on wide-angle lens: [[http:// | ||
+ | * tilt-shift lens, a photo demo study: [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | ====== Lens Review for Common use ====== | ||
+ | |||
+ | for 18-55mm, all kit lens has this range, so no need to talk about it. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{photowiki: | ||
+ | ===== 70-200mm ===== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ^ ^canon f4|canon f4 is|canon f2.8 is II|sigma f2.8^tamron f2.8| | ||
+ | ^price|5000 cny|8600 cny|15000 cny|5700 cny|5500 cny| | ||
+ | ^ ^1000 sgd|1600 sgd|3000 sgd|1150 sgd^1100 sgd| | ||
+ | ^weight|705g|760g|1.5kg|1.3kg|1.3kg| | ||
+ | ^length|17cm|17cm|20cm|19cm|19cm| | ||
+ | ^filter|67mm|67mm|77mm|77mm|77mm| | ||
+ | ^year|1999|2006|2010|2007|2008| | ||
+ | ^f|4-32|4-32|2.8-32|2.8-22|2.8-32| | ||
+ | ^focus|1.2m|1.2m|1.2m|1m|0.95m| | ||
+ | ^blade|8|8|8|9|9| | ||
+ | ^IS|no|yes|yes|no|no| | ||
+ | ^structure|13g16p|15g20p|19g23p|15g18p|13g18p| | ||
+ | ^note|LLW||LW||| | ||
+ | ^corner sharpness|4.5|4.4|4.5|3.8|3.8| | ||
+ | ^bg bluriness|3|3|4|4|4| | ||
+ | ^review| | |[[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | note: one lens may be bad for a landscape photographer, | ||
+ | |||
+ | Because, | ||
+ | - for landscape and nature scene shot, corner to corner sharpness is more important, | ||
+ | * fast aperture like f2.8 is not that important, as the scene is not moving | ||
+ | * shallow depth of field of f2.8 is no use, as landscape scene shot need deep sharp view to the infinity | ||
+ | * background blur is no use for landscape, as your subject is the background, and you don't want to blur it | ||
+ | - for portrait shot, corner sharpness is not that important while blurry background is more important | ||
+ | * fast aperture like f2.8 is important, as people can move fast | ||
+ | * shallow depth of field of f2.8 is important, as you need blurry background to pop the portrait more | ||
+ | * corner sharpness is not important as long as your portrait is in the center of lens | ||
+ | - for close-up shot, like flower or birds, f4 is enough to blur out the background | ||
+ | * fast aperture like f2.8 is optional, as f4 is enough to blur out the background because of that close object distance of long zoom focus length | ||
+ | * corner sharpness is not that important, as long as your object is in the center part of lens. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Conclusion on 70-200mm range: | ||
+ | * f2.8 is priority consideration when shooting **center-framed** portrait is your main goal with lens at this range. | ||
+ | * corner sharpness is priority consideration when shooting landscape is your main goal with lens at this range | ||
+ | * cheap price is priority consideration when you are on a budget, | ||
+ | * for landscape photographer, | ||
+ | * for portrait photographer, | ||
+ | * for mixed photographer, | ||
+ | * quality is priority consideration when money is no-issue to you and you can earn the money back out from your photos | ||
+ | * get Canon f2.8 for the flexibility and sharp all the way and blur all the way as you like | ||
+ | * IS (image stabilize) is priority consideration when you shoot in the evening or indoor at most time and don't want to carry a tripod | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===== 24-70mm ===== | ||
+ | |||
+ | on a 1.6x crop factor Canon DSLR, it means 44-112mm range. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ^ ^sigma f2.8-4|sigma f2.8^tamron f2.8|canon f2.8^canon f4| | ||
+ | ^price|3200 cny|3650 cny|3000 cny|9700 cny|6900 cny| | ||
+ | ^ ^600 sgd|700 sgd^600 sgd|2000 sgd^1200 sgd| | ||
+ | ^weight|535g|715g|510g|950g|670g| | ||
+ | ^length|9cm|11.5cm|9cm|12cm|10cm| | ||
+ | ^filter|72mm|82mm|67mm|77mm|77mm| | ||
+ | ^year|||||| | ||
+ | ^f|f2.8-22|f2.8-32|f2.8-32|f2.8-22|f4-22| | ||
+ | ^focus|0.22m|0.4m|0.33m|0.38m|0.45m| | ||
+ | ^blade|7|9|7|8|8| | ||
+ | ^IS|yes|no|no|no|yes| | ||
+ | ^structure|13g17p|13g14p|14g16p|13g16p|13g18p| | ||
+ | ^note|17-70mm|24-70mm|28-75mm||24-105mm| | ||
+ | ^corner sharpness|4.5|3.5|4.3|4.3|4| | ||
+ | ^bg bluriness|3.9|4|4|4|3| | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ===== 35mm, 50mm and 85mm prime ===== | ||
+ | |||
+ | on 1.6x crop factor Canon DSLR, it means 80mm and 136mm. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ^ ^canon 50mm 1.4|sigma 50mm 1.4|canon 50mm f1.8^canon f1.8 85mm ^ Samyang f1.4 85mm manual| | ||
+ | ^price|2550|3600 cny|500 cny|2800 cny| | ||
+ | ^ ^500 sgd|700 sgd|100 sgd^560 sgd|400-650 sgd| | ||
+ | ^weight|290g|505g|130g|425g|513g| | ||
+ | ^length|5cm|6.8cm|4cm|7cm|72mm| | ||
+ | ^filter|58mm|77mm|52mm|58mm|72mm (78)| | ||
+ | ^year||||| | ||
+ | ^f|f1.4-22|f1.4-16|f1.8-22|f1.8-22|f1.4-16| | ||
+ | ^focus|0.45m|0.45m|0.45m|0.85m|1m| | ||
+ | ^blade|8|9|5|8|? | ||
+ | ^IS|no|no|no|no|no| | ||
+ | ^structure|6g7p|6g8p|5g6p|7g9p|7g9p| | ||
+ | ^note|||||| | ||
+ | ^corner sharpness|4|3.5|4|4.3|? | ||
+ | ^bg bluriness|4.5|4.5|4.5|4.5|4.8| | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===== 8-24mm ===== | ||
+ | |||
+ | that means, on crop factor of 1.6, 12.8mm-38mm. (<35mm) | ||
+ | |||
+ | Generally, 14mm (135 format), that is 22mm(1.6crop), | ||
+ | \\ 10mm (135 format), that 16mm (1.6 crop), which is extreme wide for city, | ||
+ | \\ [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | ^ ^ sigma ^^^ Canon ^^ Tamron ^ Tokkia ^^ | ||
+ | ^ |8-16mm | 10-20mm | 12-24mm | 10-22mm | 20mm | 10-24mm | 11-16mm | 12-24mm | | ||
+ | ^eq 1.6x |13-25mm | 16-32mm | 19-38mm | 16-35mm | 32mm | 16-38mm | 17-25mm | 19-38mm | | ||
+ | ^f|4.5-5.6 | 4-5.6| 4.5-5.6 | 3.5-4.5 | f2.8 | 3.5-4.5 | f2.8 | f4 | | ||
+ | ^p|5200 cny |3900 cny | 5600 cny | 5300 cny| 3860 cny | 3700 cny | 4074 cny | 3800 cny | | ||
+ | ^video| | ||
+ | |||
+ | Note: on a 1.6x or 1.5 crop DSLR,those non-full-frame one, as most DSLR, loses the 17mm -35mm wide angle with the so-called kit lens (17-55mm equ. 27-88mm). | ||
+ | |||
+ | Thus, the actual 17-28 range is missing from most DSLR cameras starting from the Kit lens. | ||
+ | \\ and a extra wide lens is required to capture that wide angle. | ||
+ | ===== 300mm to 500mm range ===== | ||
+ | |||
+ | On a 1.6x crop factor Canon DSLR, it means 480mm to 800mm range, | ||
+ | \\ which finally match today' | ||
+ | |||
+ | ^ |canon 70-300mm \\ f4-5.6^canon 100-400mm \\ f4.5-5.6|tamron 200-500mm \\ f5-6.3^sigma 150-500 \\ f5-6.3|sigma 170-500 \\ f5-6.3^ Tokina 80-400mm Pro \\ f4.5-5.6 ^ | ||
+ | ^equivalent|(112-480mm)|(160-640mm)|(320-800mm)|(240-800mm)| | (128-640mm)| | ||
+ | ^price|9399 cny|12k cny|7350 cny|7000 cny|3500 cny| 3300 cny | | ||
+ | ^ |2000 sgd^2400 sgd|1470 sgd^1400 sgd| ^ 600 sgd | | ||
+ | ^2nd hand| ^1850 sgd| ^1250 sgd | ^ 400 sgd | | ||
+ | ^weight|1kg|1.38kg|1.2kg|1.9kg|1.3kg|0.9kg| | ||
+ | ^length|14cm|19cm|22cm|25cm| |13.6cm| | ||
+ | ^filter|64|77|86|86| |72| | ||
+ | ^year|2010|1998|2007 (discontinued)|2009|discontinued| | | ||
+ | ^f|f4-45|f4.5-38|f5-32|f5-22| |f4.5-f32| | ||
+ | ^focus|1.2m|1.8m|2.5m|2.2m| |2.5m| | ||
+ | ^blade|8|8|9|9| |8| | ||
+ | ^IS|yes|yes|no (Di LD IF)|yes (DG OS HSM)| |no| | ||
+ | ^structure|14g19p|14g17p|10g13p|15g21p| |110g16p| | ||
+ | ^note| | | | | | | | ||
+ | ^corner sharpness| |4.2| |4.0| | | | ||
+ | ^review| |[[http:// | ||
+ | ^gallery| | | |[[http:// | ||
+ | note: long focus length zoom lens has advantage of flexibility for unpredictable situation, while long focus length prime lens has better image quality in term of sharpness and fast aperture. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Thus, | ||
+ | - when object is predictable, | ||
+ | - when critical fast reaction speed and superior quality are priority, Prime is preferred | ||
+ | - when object is hard to track and moving in various distance, Zoom is preferred, like [[http:// | ||
+ | - fast super-telephoto prime lens with f2.8 or f4 or f5.6 at 400-800mm range can be extremely heavy and expensive (more than 5000 SGD), so not discussed here. ([[http:// | ||
+ | - Image Stabilize feature is a key feature for this super-telephoto range, with so-called "IS OS VR", it [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | Flexibility of Prime super-telephoto lens, | ||
+ | - fast prime super-telephoto lens can use 1.4x extension or 2.0x to get extra reach, | ||
+ | * 300mm F4 prime with 2.0x extension becomes 600mm F8, still maintaining good image quality but manual focus on general DLSR. | ||
+ | * [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | Flexibility of fast telephoto zoom lens, | ||
+ | - fast and high quality telephoto lens can use 1.4x extension or 2.0x to become super-telephoto zoom | ||
+ | * [[http:// | ||
+ | * [[http:// | ||
+ | * 100-400mm f4.5-5.6 with 1.4x to become 140-560mm f6.3-7.8 with autofocus [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | Quality of general super-telephoto zoom lens, | ||
+ | - general and slow super-telephoto zoom lens with f6.3 and lower can still use extension, but image quality will decrease quite a bit, and manual focus only. | ||
+ | - extension generally designed for high quality fast primes and zooms that can afford the light decrease through extension. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===== Macro Lens 1:1 - 35mm, 50mm, 90mm, 100mm, 150mm, 180mm ===== | ||
+ | |||
+ | ^ ^ Tamron 90mm f2.8 macro ^ Canon 100mm f2.8 macro ^ Sigma 105mm 2.8 macro ^ Tamron 180mm f3.5 macro ^ | ||
+ | ^price ^ 500 SGD | 730 SGD | | ||
+ | ^2nd hand ^ 400 SGD | | | ||
+ | ^weight | 405g | 600g | 450g |921g | | ||
+ | ^diameter | 71mm | 79mm | 74mm | 84mm | | ||
+ | ^length | 97mm | 119mm | 95mm | 165mm | | ||
+ | ^filter | 55mm | 58mm | | ||
+ | ^close focus|29cm | 31cm | | ||
+ | |||
+ | ref: http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | ====== DSLR or Compact -the Battle of Image Quality to Price Ratio ====== | ||
+ | |||
+ | The important research artcile on this Question: | ||
+ | * What "Mega Pixel war race" bring to us: [[http:// | ||
+ | * Standard photo 4R size need just 2M (all size listed): http:// | ||
+ | * resolution to size theoretically without resize: http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | Check these 2 images | ||
+ | ^ [[http:// | ||
+ | |600sgd |700sgd |2900SGD | 3000SGD | 9000SGD | | ||
+ | |||
+ | Note: | ||
+ | * The 100% view of them on screen are all not-perfect | ||
+ | * the compact HS10: the image quality is not sharp, color fringing on lines, smearing on surface | ||
+ | * the DSLR Pentax kx: the image is not shot steady, and bit blur on flower details. | ||
+ | * A850 image is not sharp in the central wood as well at 100% because of focus is not set precisely on the wood | ||
+ | * the 5D shot is a little better at noise clearness, but seems the focus is not shift to eye precisely. | ||
+ | * Leica is famous for its optical quality, while generally, people who spend so much on that kind of camera, normally has a steady hand and sharp eye to focus right. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Note 2: | ||
+ | * use Browser' | ||
+ | * both images looks sharp and detail now, sharp clear fur from HS10, and contrasty flower from Kx | ||
+ | |||
+ | Conclusion: | ||
+ | * why zooming to 50% gives you good result from either Compact or DSLR, | ||
+ | * Why zooming to 100% hardly gives you perfection | ||
+ | * Because | ||
+ | - simply human is not good at achieving 100% perfection, even with good camers | ||
+ | - nowadays camera all got around 14MP or 16MP high resolution sensor, they are designed to provide with enough resolution even at 50% scale | ||
+ | - you can get good perfect 50% scaled image at 7-8MP from any camera with relatively good steady hand | ||
+ | * **for printing, based on this [[http:// | ||
+ | - 7-8MP can print out good How-big-photo, | ||
+ | - How big the Photo looks at 50% on your standard Computer Monitor, put a paper on monitor, then you got the idea | ||
+ | * **How sharp my photo can be, check [[http:// | ||
+ | * Maximum Sharpness is all about your steady hand when holding the camera, | ||
+ | * Camera tiny hand-shake can ruin the images. and motion blur out the image, | ||
+ | * so, next time, use a tripod and camera not moving and your targets not moving within at least 1 second | ||
+ | * With a Huge MegaPixel, that means, at 100% view, that large resolution will record clearly your even-tiny-hand-shaking caused exposure bluriness. | ||
+ | * **The last key factor is focusing on the right spot, as Digital Compacts generally don't have a [[http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | | ||
+ | |||
+ | ====== Last word about Super Zoom Compact ====== | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ===== historic super zoom compact camera since 2003 ===== | ||
+ | ==== 2005 ==== | ||
+ | |||
+ | * [[http:// | ||
+ | * 1/1.8 CCD sensor, 8MP, RAW capable, 640x480 video, 12x manual zoom and focus capable super zoom (35-420mm IS), 720g, Lithium Ion battery | ||
+ | * [[http:// | ||
+ | * 1/2.5 CCD sensor, 5MP, no RAW, VGA video, 12x optic zoom, (36-432mm IS),438g, AA battery | ||
+ | * other as bellow | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | [[artwiki: | ||
+ | |||
+ | ====== Mounts adapters ====== | ||
+ | Check list for mounts capability: | ||
+ | - aperture control capability, as some lens may not have a aperture ring; | ||
+ | - check whether the lens can focus infinity on mounts; | ||
+ | - check whether mounts have Focus Confirmation Chip built-in | ||
+ | |||
+ | |||
+ | ====== Singapore Camera rent price ====== | ||
+ | |||
+ | As high quality lens can get extremely expensive, renting one becomes more reasonable and affortable than buying one, | ||
+ | |||
+ | as some extreme heavy and expensive lenses are not used that often. | ||
+ | |||
+ | * Camera Rental - http:// | ||
+ | |||
+ | ====== My Final Words ====== | ||
+ | |||
+ | * since 2011, my research result on cheapest solution to DSLR is | ||
+ | - buy 2nd hand 2 year old technology for best price, it is almost 1/3 of original launch price or current lastest | ||
+ | - buy old manual focus lens, they are good enough for family use | ||
+ | - buy very cheap, and sell it cheap for slight better thing. | ||
+ | * in electronics age, things get cheaper every day, better buy what you need and use it fully for its value | ||
+ | * dont waste money on buying expensive, and never use |