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-====== ​MF crop factor and focal length equivalent ​====== +====== ​Large format intro====== 
- +  * an intro on everything in LF :  
-  * still film +    * http://www.clubsnap.com/​forums/​medium-format/​1127594-so-you-want-lf.html 
-{{:artwiki:camerawiki:​film_size_all.jpg|}} +    a forum http://​www.largeformatphotography.info/​forum/​forumdisplay.php?​25-LF-Forums
-  motion film +
-{{:artwiki:camerawiki:​film_size_35mm_vs_imax_format_70mm.jpg|}}+
  
  
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 Crop Factor = 1/ relative Crop Factor Crop Factor = 1/ relative Crop Factor
  
-(Note: 6 means 6cm in MF)+(Note: 6 means 6cm in MF, 4 means 4inch in LF)
 |              |35mm     ​^645 ​      ^ 6x6      ^ 6x7      ^ 6x9      ^ 6x12      ^ 6x17 LF   ^ 6x24 LF  | 4x5" ​    | 5x7" | 8x10" | |              |35mm     ​^645 ​      ^ 6x6      ^ 6x7      ^ 6x9      ^ 6x12      ^ 6x17 LF   ^ 6x24 LF  | 4x5" ​    | 5x7" | 8x10" |
 |ActualfilmSize|36×24 mm |56 x 42 mm|56 x 56 mm|56 x 72 mm|56 x 84 mm|56 x 112 mm|56 x 168 mm |56 x 224 mm|102×127 mm|127 x 178mm|20×25cm| |ActualfilmSize|36×24 mm |56 x 42 mm|56 x 56 mm|56 x 72 mm|56 x 84 mm|56 x 112 mm|56 x 168 mm |56 x 224 mm|102×127 mm|127 x 178mm|20×25cm|
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 |print size    | A3      | A2       | A2       | A1       | A1,A0    | 2xA2      | 3xA2       | 4xA2      | 2A0    | 4A0  | 8A0 | |print size    | A3      | A2       | A2       | A1       | A1,A0    | 2xA2      | 3xA2       | 4xA2      | 2A0    | 4A0  | 8A0 |
  
-|    | 135mm equivalent Angle of View |||||||||| +             ^ 4x5" ​     ​^ ​5x7" ​     ​^ ​8x10" | 11x14" ​14x17" ​16x20" ​20x24" ​40x80" ​
-| rCF|1.5x|1.5x |2x   | 2.3x| 3.1x | 4.6x| 6.2x  | 3.5x | 5x   | 7x    | +|ActualfilmSize102×127 mm|127 x 178mm|20×25cm28x35cm35x43cm40x50cm|50x60cm ​100x200cm
-| FL ^645 6x6 ^ 6x7 ^ 6x9 ^ 6x12 | 6x17 | 6x24 | 4x5" ​5x7" ​8x10" | +|size compare ​ ​| ​15x     |26x          ​|58x    ​| ​113x   174x   231x   347x   2314x 
-^28mm|17mm    ​    ​    |      |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       +|print size    ​| ​2A0    ​| ​4A0          ​8A0   16A0   24A0   | 32A0   | 48A0   | 308A0 |
-^35mm|21mm    ​    ​    ​|11mm  ​    ​      ​     ​| ​     ​      ​+
-|40mm|    | 25mm|     ​| ​    ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       | +
-|43mm| ​   |     |22mm |     ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       | +
-^45mm|28mm| ​    ​| ​    | 20mm|14.5mm| ​    ​| ​      | 13mm |      |       | +
-|50mm| ​   | 32mm|25mm |     ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       | +
-^55mm|35mm| ​    ​| ​    ​| ​    ​|18mm ​ ​| ​    ​| ​      |      |      |       | +
-|65mm|    |     ​|33mm 28mm|21mm  |     ​| ​      | 18mm |      ​      ​+
-^75mm|50mm| 50mm|     ​| ​    ​|24mm ​ |     ​| ​      | 21mm | 15mm |       | +
-|80mm|    |     |41mm |     ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       | +
-|90mm| ​   ​| ​    ​|45mm 35mm|28mm ​ | 20mm|14.5mm | 25mm | 18mm |       | +
-|110mm|   ​| ​    |50mm |     ​| ​     | 24mm|       ​| ​     |      |  16mm | +
-^120mm|75mm| ​   |     | 50mm|      |     ​|19mm ​  | 35mm |      |  18mm | +
-^150mm|95mm|95mm|75mm |     ​| ​     | 33mm|24mm ​  | 42mm 30mm |  21mm | +
- +
-LF ref:  +
-  * 4x5 ref: http://​www.kenrockwell.com/​tech/​4x5.htm +
-  * 4x5 ref: http://​www.luminous-landscape.com/​essays/​Cramer.shtml +
-  * 5x7 ref: http://​www.largeformatphotography.info/​5x7.html +
-  * http://​www.fotomancamera.com/​product_list.asp?​id=168 +
-  * LF ref: http://​en.wikipedia.org/​wiki/​Large_format_(photography) +
-MF panorama ref (612,​617,​624):​ +
-  * http://​www.kenrockwell.com/​tech/​617.htm +
-  * http://​www.fotomancamera.com/​product_list.asp?​id=168 +
-MF ref: +
-  * http://​www.kenrockwell.com/​tech/​format.htm +
-  * 645 ref: http://​www.kenrockwell.com/​pentax/​645/​645.htm +
-  * 6x6 ref: http://​www.kenrockwell.com/​mamiya/​6.htm +
-  * 6x7 ref: http://​www.kenrockwell.com/​mamiya/​7.htm +
-  * mamiya ref: http://​www.kenrockwell.com/​mamiya/​index.htm +
-  * 6x9 ref: http://​camerapedia.wikia.com/​wiki/​Fujica_GW690 +
- +
-====== 120 film develop in SG====== +
- +
-  * trip-D MiniLab at burlington square (beside SimLim Square) +
-    * http://​www.lomography.com/​more/​photolabs/​2082-triple-d-minilab-burlington-square +
-    * process fee: 5 sgd +
-    *  +
-  * grace digital lab at clementi +
-    * http://​www.gracedigitallab.com/​gdl_price.html +
-    * http://​www.lomography.com/​more/​photolabs/​745-grace-digital-lab +
-    * Mon-Sat: 11am - 8pm (6pm at Fri) +
-    * process fee: 3.5 sgd +
-  * Konota Fuji Shop +
-    * process fee: 5sgd +
-    * Mon-Sun (10am-7pm, 3pm-7:30pm on Sun) +
- +
- +
-More shop at SG: http://​www.lomography.com/​more/​photolabs/​country/​192-singapore +
- +
-Some Fuji Kodak shop +
-  * basement of lucky plaza have fuji counter selling 120 film +
- +
-====== 120 Film price ====== +
- +
-120 film shot counts +
-| 645 | 6x6 | 6x7 | 6x9 | +
-| 16 | 12 | 10 | 8 | +
- +
-  * Kodak Professional Ektacolor 160: 4.4-5.2-6 sgd ([[http://​www.lomography.com/​more/​photolabs/​590-peek|Peek]] near City Hall area) +
-  * FujiColor 160NP: 4.4-6.5 sgd +
- +
-120 Good color one: +
-  * Kodak Ektar 100: 6.6 sgd +
-  * Kodak Portro 160: 12 sgd (8sgd) +
-  * Kodak Portro 400: 7.6 sgd (8sgd) +
-  * FUJI VelVia 100F E6: 7 sgd +
-  * FUJI VEIA RVP50 E6: 6.6 sgd +
- +
-120 B&W: +
-  * FUJI NEOPAN100 ACROS120: 4.4 sgd +
-  * SHD100 120: 3.5 sgd +
-  * Kodak 100TMax 120: 7 sgd +
-  * Kodak 400TMax 120: 7 sgd +
-  * Shanghai GP3: 2 sgd +
-  * iford infred SFX 200: (14 sgd) +
- +
-135 film +
-  * Kodak 100: 6.6 sgd +
-  * Kodak 200: 3.5 sgd (2.5sgd) +
-  * Kodak 400: 3.2 sgd (3.1sgd at Tiongbaru plaze fuji shop) +
-  * Kodak Ektar 100: 7 sgd +
-  * iford delta 100: (7sgd) +
-  * iford delta 400: (7sgd) +
-  * iford infred SFX 200: (14 sgd) +
-  * ilford delta 3200: 9 sgd (ruby) +
-  * fuji superia/​nature 1600: 14 sgd +
-  * fuji portra 800: 14 sgd +
-  * fuji 100: 5.6 sgd +
-  * fuji 200: 3 sgd (2.5sgd at Tiongbaru plaze fuji shop if I am not wrong) +
- +
-135 BW film: +
-  * Kodak 100TMax: 7 sgd +
-  * Kodak 400TMax: 7 sgd +
-===== Film and Airport check===== +
-  * normally no issue: [[http://​www.clubsnap.com/​forums/​slr-compacts/​1004063-film-starter-basic-questions.html|link]] +
- +
- +
-====== 645 vs 6x7 and large format ====== +
- +
-  * [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​wild_ferret/​3982853404/​|check size comparison of Bronica 645, RZ67, and a 4x5]] +
-  * [[http://​www.design215.com/​toolbox/​film_chart.php|film size comparison]] +
-  * medium format photography intro: http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=glI-NGw1O4I +
- +
-My interchangable MF preference: Mamiya RB67 > Hasselblad 500cm > Fuji GSW690 > Pentax 645 > Bronica ETRSi 645 > Mamiya 645 ProSD > Pentax 6x7 > Twin Lens Reflex cameras > Old fixed lens MF cameras +
- +
-(AE prism finder > prism finder > waist level finder) +
-====== Medium Format brands and choice ====== +
- +
-  * Most of available and affordable choice are film medium format cameras and they are generally 2nd hand in good or bad working condition;​ +
- +
- +
-  * guide: http://​www.antiquecameras.net/​ +
-===== Mamiya RB67, RZ67, Mamiya M645, AF645 and rangefinder 7 series ===== +
- +
-  * [[http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=rekQ9IZqmVA&​feature=related|Mamiya RB67 video intro]] +
-  * RB67 are old and common found in Buy and Sell forums, they are the biggest 6x7 MF film camera in size and weight +
-  * [[http://​blog.blackandwhitefineart.net/​2011/​01/​the-perfect-duet/​|RZ67 Pro II intro]] +
-  * RZ67 are later slim version of RB67, and slightly higher in price. +
-    * Both above are barrel focusing, you use a knob to rotate to extend the lens forward and backward from body to focus,like TLR cameras +
- +
-  * Mamiya 6: 6x6 compact rangefinder medium format camera with interchangable lens +
-  * Mamiya 7: 6x7 compact rangefinder medium format camera with interchangable lens +
-  +
-  * Mamiya 645: cheap and light weight Mamiya MF options +
-    * "​Mamiya models had long-term durability issues. I think that was solved by the Pro/Pro TL series.Personally,​ my Pro TL has been rock-solid,"​ +
-    * 645AF: good cheap AF MF option compared to Pentax 645N +
-      * Mamiya AF lens review:  +
-        * http://​www.getdpi.com/​forum/​lens-accessory-reviews/​15710-mamiya-lens-overview.html +
-        * http://​www.tonyhowell.co.uk/​lenstests.htm +
-      * Mamiya MF lens +
-        * http://​slrlensreview.com/​web/​reviews/​misc/​mamiya +
- +
-  +
-  * Mamiya RZ lens review: http://​www.frankdoorhof.com/​site/​2011/​03/​review-lenses-rzrb-system/​ +
-  * Mamiya RZ vs RB system explained: http://​forums.popphoto.com/​showthread.php?​231224-Mamiya-RB67-vs-Mamiya-RZ67 +
-===== Pentax 645 and Pentax 6x7 type===== +
- +
-  * Pentax 645 the first gen, are cheap and easy find, with lens compatible to the cheapest Digital MF camera - Pentax 645D, just like all Pentax camera, all Pentax MF lens will work easily on it +
-    * 2nd gen and 3rd gen costs a bit +
-  * [[http://​www.photoethnography.com/​ClassicCameras/​AsahiPentax67.html|Pentax 6x7 series intro]]: +
-    * 1st gen and 2nd gen, cheap and easy find: +
-      * intro video: http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=mSWOiJlT9OY +
-    * 3rd gen costs more +
- +
-===== Shanghai Seagull TLR and other 6x6 TLR===== +
-  * avaliable brand new and cheap +
-  * TLR camera is Medium format in most compact form, beside MF rangefinder +
-    * rolleiflex: http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​annotation_id=annotation_589466&​feature=iv&​src_vid=GxViNV9-Zgo&​v=wEudznuyHms +
- +
-===== Fuji GW and GSW 6x7,6x8,6x9 rangefinder===== +
-  * affordable and good find in 2nd hand market for big format in a more holdable form, with non-interchangeable MF camera system +
-    * video intro GW690III: http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=q8wH9KPLbTU +
-    * http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=GxViNV9-Zgo&​feature=related +
- +
-===== Bronica, Pentacon 6, and other===== +
- +
-  * [[http://​old.photosharp.com.tw/​cameratest/​bronica/​bronica645etr-1.htm|Bronica 645 ETR series intro]] +
-  * Bronica 6x6 S series intro (Model S, D, C, C2) [[http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=NIWL-dARAPY|video]] +
-  * [[http://​chemicalcameras.wordpress.com/​bronica-gs-1/​|Bronica GS-1 (6x7 SLR) system intro]] +
-  * Bronica SQ-Ai intro: http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=GOQ0XdtW6sU +
-  * All bronica MF lineup +
-    * D(1959)、S(1961)、C(1964)、S2(1965)、C2(1965)、S2A(1969) +
-    * EC(1972)、EC-TL(1975)、ETR(1976)、ETR-C(1977)、ETRS(1978)、 +
-    * EC-TL II(1978)、SQ(1980)、SQ-A(1982)、SQ-AM(1982)、GS-1(1983)、 +
-    * ETRS-i(1988)、SQ-Ai(1990)、SQ-B(1996)、ETRS-i LE(1996) +
- +
- +
-===== hasselblad 6x6 system ===== +
- +
-  * expensive options like leica in 135 format +
-  * still you can find good affordable ones like Leica M3 +
-  +
-  * buying guide for hasselblad: http://​www.bythewei.com/​wordpress/​2012/​07/​things-to-know-before-buying-a-hassy/​ +
- +
- +
-===== instant film camera ===== +
- +
-  * http://​www.filmwasters.com/​forum/​index.php?​topic=773.0 +
-  * video of Fujifilm Fotorama FP-1: http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​feature=fvwp&​v=ekd5kE7-dsM&​NR=1 +
- +
-===== Lomography camera ===== +
- +
-  * Belair 6x12: +
-    * http://​altcameras.com/​2013/​01/​18/​lomography-belair-x-6-12-part-two/​ +
- +
-====== Autofocus and Digital Medium Format camera====== +
- +
-  * almost 10x expensive than 135 format DSLR +
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 +|    | 135mm equivalent Angle of View (at the long end width) |||||||||||
 +| rCF|1.5x|1.5x |2x   | 2.3x| 3.1x | 4.6x| 6.2x  | 3.5x | 5x   | 7x    | 9.7x   | 12x    | 13.9x  | 16.7x  | 55.6x  |
 +| FL ^645 ^ 6x6 ^ 6x7 ^ 6x9 ^ 6x12 | 6x17 | 6x24 | 4x5" | 5x7" | 8x10" | 11x14" | 14x17" | 16x20" | 20x24" | 40x80" |
 +^28mm|17mm| ​    ​| ​    ​| ​    ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +^35mm|21mm| ​    ​| ​    ​| ​    ​|11mm ​ |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +|40mm| ​   | 25mm|     ​| ​    ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +|43mm| ​   |     |22mm |     ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +^45mm|28mm| ​    ​| ​    | 20mm|14.5mm| ​    ​| ​      | 13mm |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +|50mm| ​   | 32mm|25mm |     ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +^55mm|35mm| ​    ​| ​    ​| ​    ​|18mm ​ |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +|65mm| ​   |     |33mm | 28mm|21mm ​ |     ​| ​      | 18mm |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +^75mm|50mm| 50mm|     ​| ​    ​|24mm ​ |     ​| ​      | 21mm | 15mm |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +|80mm| ​   |     |41mm |     ​| ​     |     ​| ​      ​| ​     |      |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +|90mm| ​   |     |45mm | 35mm|28mm ​ | 20mm|14.5mm | 25mm | 18mm |       ​| ​       |        |        |        | |
 +|110mm| ​  ​| ​    |50mm |     ​| ​     | 24mm|       ​| ​     |      |  16mm |        |        |        |        | |
 +^120mm|75mm| ​   |     | 50mm|      |     ​|19mm ​  | 35mm |      |  18mm |        |        |        |        | |
 +^150mm|95mm|95mm|75mm |     ​| ​     | 33mm|24mm ​  | 42mm | 30mm |  21mm | 15.5mm |        |        |        | |
 +^200mm|135mm| ​  ​|100mm| 85mm|65mm ​ | 43mm|32mm ​  | 55mm | 40mm |  28mm | 20mm   | 16mm   | 14mm   | 12mm   | |
 +^300mm|200mm| ​  ​|150mm|135mm|95mm ​ | 65mm|50mm ​  | 85mm | 60mm |  43mm | 31mm   | 25mm   | 21mm   | 18mm   | |
 +^600mm|400mm| ​  ​|300mm|270mm|190mm |130mm|100mm ​ | 170mm| 120mm |  85mm | 60mm   | 50mm   | 43mm  | 35mm   | |
 +^800mm|500mm| ​  ​|400mm|350mm|260mm |175mm|130mm ​ | 220mm| 160mm | 112mm | 80mm   | 65mm   | 55mm  | 45mm   | 14mm |
 +^1000mm|675mm| ​  ​|500mm|425mm|325mm|215mm|160mm ​ | 285mm| 200mm | 140mm | 100mm   | 80mm  | 70mm  | 60mm   | 18mm |
  
 +  * 20x24 studio: ​
 +    * http://​www.20x24studio.com/​
 +  * 70x70cm video:
 +    * use flash as shutter: http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=F70vzjIBdSY
 +  * Truck size, 400cm x 200cm camera: ​
 +    * http://​www.youtube.com/​watch?​v=nC3Tu9JxI3g
 +    * http://​www.cameratruck.net/​Site/​Landing.html
  
 +^Ti1| | | | | | | | |  | | 8000| 4000| 2000| 1000| 500| 256^125| 60| 30| 15| 8| 4 |2 |1" |1.5"​-2"​-3"​ |4" |8" |15"​|30"​ |1min |2m|4m|8m|15m|30m|1h|2h|
 +^ F| | | | | | | |0.7 | 1| 1.4| 2| 2.8| 4| 5.6| 8| 11^16| 22| 32| 45| 64| 90 |128 |181 ^206-256-288|362|512 |724 |1024 |1448|2048 | | 
 +^ count| | | | | | | |1 | 2| 3| 4| 5| 6| 7| 8| 9^10| 11| 12| 13| 14|15 |16 |17 |18 |19 |20 |21 |22 | 23|24|25|26|27|28|29|30|
 +====== 4x5 film price ======
 +  * Shanghai 4x5 25p iso 100: 15 sgd
  
 +====== Fast lens and DOF of Large Format ======
  
 +  * [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​genotypewriter/​6076860350/​in/​photostream/​|Schneider Xenotar 150mm f/2.8, 4x5 & Schneider Xenar 480m/48cm f/4.5]], 8x10 & [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​genotypewriter/​6076323375/​in/​photostream/​|Aero Ektar 12"/​307mm f/2.5, 8x10]]
 +  * [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​rawhead/​4208124639/​|Aodak Aero Ektar 178mm f2.5 5x5 large format lens]]
 +  * [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​rawhead/​4236950965/​|The lens on Speed Graphic 4x5]], [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​rawhead/​4230038555/​in/​set-72157610768198629/​|2]],​ [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​rawhead/​6451530913/​in/​set-72157610768198629/​|3]] on [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​rawhead/​|Dr. RawheaD'​s photostream]]
 +    * [[http://​www.flickr.com/​photos/​rawhead/​4238090566/​in/​photostream/​|sample image]]
 +    * equivalent 48mm FOV on 135 film camera ​
 +    * (almost 1/3 crop factor, 135 full frame DSLR is like M43 camera to 4x5 large format)
 +    * equivalent f0.7 DOF on 135 film camera
  
 +====== Manufacturers ======
 +  * Chamonix View camera http://​www.chamonixviewcamera.com/​cameras.html